It's Just A Matter Of Time

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Canada could be headed for a housing and mortgage meltdown similar to the one that has devasted the U.S. economy, Merrill Lynch warned Wednesday.

Canadian households are more financially overextended than their counterparts in the United States or Britain, a report issued by Merrill Lynch Canada economists David Wolf and Carolyn Kwan says.


So it's revealed that Canadian home owners have more debt than their US or British peers. How comforting.

“What worries us is that Canadian households have been running a larger financial deficit than households in either the U.S. or the U.K.,” the Merrill report says. “... After 40 years of net saving, Canadian households moved into sustained deficit in 2002. In 2007, household net borrowing amounted to 6.3 per cent of disposable income, a wider deficit than in the U.K. and not far off the peak U.S. shortfall seen in 2005.”

But yet many still believe we are different.

To read David Wolf's full report, "The Tipping Point," click here.

Update:
Perhaps the Merrill Lynch report has ruffled a few feathers among other economists (are they speculators themselves?).


The nature of the decline in Canada is much different than that of the
U.S., said Benjamin Tal, senior economist at CIBC World Markets Inc.

"You need a trigger for a crash in the housing market. In 1989 to
1990, the trigger was double-digit interest rates that killed affordability in
Canada. In the U.S., the trigger was subprime, and a huge increase in default
rates when people who were not supposed to be in the business of owning a house
did, and that created artificial demand," he said. "Unless Canada goes into a
major economic recession ... I'm missing that trigger."


Let me do your job for you.

Falling house prices. That is the trigger. It's simple.

40 year mortgages, 0 downpayment, etc...all these new mortgage products introduced by the CHMC over the last two years force-fed false affordability on unsuspecting home buyers. These are the same home buyers that would not even qualify for a traditional 25 yr amortization period. People who have no business buying houses bought during the last two years. Just talk to my single hairdresser who owns 3 properties. A significant majority of homes bought in the last two years were bought with 40 year mortgages. Once can argue that affordability is now worse in 2008 than it was back in the 1990s as now the principle amounts of mortgages are astronomical.

In the US, the trigger was not subprime. Subprime would have never been an issue if house prices continued to rise or remained static. Those who were overextended once the teaser rates adjusted to higher rates could easily escape by either selling their property or refinancing their mortgage. When house prices fell in the US, those home buyers with subprime mortgages were trapped. They couldn't sell because there were no buyers. And they could no longer refinance their mortgages because their property was losing significant value. The only option was to default.

The same scenario is occurring in Calgary and other cities across Canada. Houses aren't selling under similar principles. I fear that sellers are unwilling to lower their prices because they will take a big loss. Intelligent buyers, are exercising their patience on the sidelines. Meanwhile, home prices which have risen exponentially over the last two years are starting to come crashing back down. Soon many Canadians will be in the same trap. Severely upside down on their mortgage they will be forced to either sell or refinance their mortgage. Both of which cannot be accomplished when asset values are decreasing. Skyrocketing inventory is a symptom and precursor of what is to come.

Reality check, as house prices slide in every major Canadian city - real estate is still unaffordable to the average wage earner. These include important people such as teachers, firefighters, nurses etc.

Even if our own meltdown is a fraction of what happened in the US, it will still have a significant impact on our own economy. Perhaps an in-house grown recession (pun intended).

To simply ignore all the warning signs and to discount what is happening in the US is complete ignorance.

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

All Canada has to do is look South.
Even if it only reaches a fraction of the USA meltdown it is going to be bad.

And Harper keeps priming the denial pump.

Anonymous said...

Scary, I bank with PC financial which is a subsidiary of CIBC which has#2 exposure to bad credit. Does anyone know if I should move my funds to a safer bank?

7¿radleyparadox7? said...

You know what's disturbing about the Merrill Lynch report is how similar we are to the US. Charts 2 and 3 Canada is falling in the footsteps of the US. Carbon copies. The only chart that differs is that we have more household debt than the US. So we are not decoupled from the US as initially was the bull argument.

Anonymous said...

The last wave of potential home buyers must be drying up,
especially with the Oct 15th carrot about to end.

Real Estate needs a continues supply of buyers to keep it going.
Just not enough buyers out there, and many are being scared off.

Anonymous said...

Cant wait to see all the greedy people in Calgary get screwed when the market drops $200,000 off market value. Your greed and lust will do you in...

:)

Calgary_rip_off

Anonymous said...

There is rampant and total denial on other blogs. It's getting pathetic.

Anonymous said...

radleyparadox7? said:
"Canada is falling in the footsteps of the US. Carbon copies"
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Yes,
carbon copies with a time lag.
We get to witness and hopefully prepare ahead of time.

Anonymous said...

Time is short. 900 pt drop in TSX, 600 in Dow.

Time is short.

Anonymous said...

Wow, look at this article:

More Albertans unable to make mortgage payments

Foreclosures are up 5 times than in 2007. The writting is on the wall.

Anonymous said...

Should be interesting to see what happens after Oct. 15th with the new sub-prime lending rules coming through. I expect that we have seen an artificially prolonged period of unsustainable house prices as some people (unwisely) try to take advantage of 40 year mortgages before they are a thing of the past. I think Harper knows what's coming and has been trying to cushion the soon to come effects with promises such as the new home buyer tax credit.

Anonymous said...

I tend to agree with 90% of what you say, but I must disagree with your view on the "trigger" that started the U.S housing crisis.
Don't forget that the majority of people who bought subprime mortages were people with very bad credit. If the bulk of these people cannot make their payments after the interest rates go up...everyone will want to sell off their house. Thats exactly what happened and thats why the prices fell. What happens when supply grows more than demand? Prices fall... the increased supply from all the subprime borrowers directly influenced the price decrease in the housing market.

Anonymous said...

Foreclosure Alley

"For the past few years, the Inland Empire in Riverside County has been one of the fastest growing counties in the state - home to a major housing boom. But now the Inland Empire is pretty much the poster child for the foreclosure crisis. SoCal Connected tracked down some surreal sights associated with the crisis, including a guy who started a business turning abandoned, dead lawns green - with spray-paint."

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Inland Empire was considered a "promised land" just two years ago. Two years later, it's foreclosure alley. Shades of Calgary to come. You were warned!

Anonymous said...

I think the house price will start crashing after thanksgiving and it will go down more than 50% by Christmas Holiday season.

I will sell my home soon, even with the loss of ~5oK, becasuse i do not want to make loss of $200K by year end.

Nothing can stop sliding of housing market. You have seen the evidence in TSX market as it looks unstoppable. similar happen to Dow and Nasdaq.

BE realistic and do not trust on your realtor as they are the one who trapped the buyers with saying Canada is diffent than US and housing will continue to climb. I am one of that and i hate those realtors and media people who screwed up so many people including my few friends.

Cheers, Alter

Anonymous said...

"In the US, the trigger was not subprime. Subprime would have never been an issue if house prices continued to rise or remained static.

Right, so by your reasoning IF x didn't happen then y wouldn't have happened. But all that did happen so what exactly are you arguing? Hypothetical senarios?
Todays economic problems are the result of many problems, not just one.
Hundreds of thousands of American homeowners have defaulted on their mortgages - its all been building for years. Especially since the expansion of the legislation in the 90's that allowed more and more people to access a mortgage, regardless of qualifications. Do we have the same setup in Alberta? Not really. We've gone through a economic boom and now we've seen that boom level off and adjust to what's currently happening around the world. How is that surprising or indicative of a housing market crash in Alberta? Houses are still worth 50k+ more than they were 2 years ago. Foreclosure rates have not gone through the roof like the US. Seems people tend or forget that the mortgage mess in the States has been growing for decades and over the past few weeks, we've been able to see the final results of their problems.
We're going to suffer like everyone else. But we're not like the US, quit looking for the easy way out to explain all these problems.

Anonymous said...

What happened to this blog? Where did it go??

Anonymous said...

I hope you realize it's not the amount of credit that caused the US mess, but it was the access to credit that caused mess.

Something to think about.

Anonymous said...

Bob Truman, who is a Calgary based realtor who is 55+ yrs old is behaving like a child. Posting under various different usernames on the Alberta bubble blog.

Do you want to do business with him?

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Davil Brain said...

It is quite ironic to think that a financially stable country like Canada had been troubled by the mortgage loan dilemma. I think real estate businesses are more to blame on this because they sway as many home buyers possible, disguising the exponential interest rate increase of mortgage by the promise of a zero-downpayment in a 40-year loan, even if the "buyer" has less financial capability.

I agree with mortgage broker in Alberta when they said that the problem could have been avoided if people only consulted professionals before engaging in mortgage investment in order not to be deceived by the illusion that you can acquire a property more than you can afford. Alberta mortgage broker
and other realtors can actually pre-qualify a mortgage plan to ensure that the mortgage package can be paid in the specified number of years. Even in instances of standing loans, mortgage broker in Alberta
can help them negotiate for possible loan modifications to make the payment easier.

Martha_Madison said...

Hi, Davil!

Now that you mentioned it, I was also able to find a good Alberta mortgage broker back when I was looking for a new home. He was able to help me out every step of the way while keeping my finances safe from going down the drain.

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